Michael Cho Nfusion suit

[Pam]

From what I have been able to find, Michael Cho and Dr. T were partners in Nfusion and before that Neosat.

Michael Cho imports Nfusions and it looks like he owns the Nfusion servers.

Mamertine Inc, Nfusion Inc and Michael Cho are being sued by Infinity in Wisconsin. The only Infinity companies in Wisconsin I could find that looked like they could be viable plaintiffs were computer suppliers.

I don't have access to Pacer. The one site I found that did have the suit available at one time had removed it.

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-wiedce/case_no-1:2009cv00243/case_id-49332/

The two Infinity companies I found listed in Wisconsin:
http://www.isusa.biz/i/

http://www.infinitytechnology.com/

Defendant Mamertine:
http://www.importgenius.com/importers/mamertine-inc-nfusion.html

It doesn't look like any Nfusions have been imported since September.

This C/P was written sometime ago by the supposedly real Dr. T who predicted that Nfusion might not make it past January 2010. The major difference between this Dr. T and the other one is that this Dr. T can write.
Hi everyone,
This some funny stuff, really don't know what to think about all of it. Now I have go take a 1k apart and see if I can find a security chip. ¯¯¯º [£]àuGhz [O]u+ [L]oÙÐ º¯¯¯ The only difference I had ever seen in a 1k and nova was the tuner chip and the extra memory. I actually have a 1k with a 16 meg memory. and it will play nova files. And I can get the 1k files to play on the novas no problems. I have never posted on the nfusion site. Also as far as me & V2 having a big fall out or something is not really true either. The Neosat company fell apart and we all went our own ways. I have no hard feelings toward v2 or anyone else for that mater. But we will not be working together.
...
I wouldn't take down nfusion servers as I have no hard feeling toward them either. all this stuff is hard enough without someone messing up the works.
If I'm not mistaken, I told everyone the Novas would be dropped. But alas most have got their moneys worth. The problem with nfusion is If sales aren't high enough they will just quit period. no thank you for buying from us or anything, just gone.

Really there are only 2 people that control when and if nfusions playing. When they are done, they will be done. and for nfusion owners sake I hope is a long way off. But is not looking to good. If I was to guess I would say by jan these guys are gone. Unless almost all nova owners buy new unit. But they will take off anyway. Sorry to be the bearer of that news is just a way of life for them. Milk it for all its worth . This is there last push.

Thanks to all for your support, and I don't know who the Doc T guy is, but he posts way too much to be working on any code. Maybe, I don't know, he could be onto something. I will agree with him on the nova users being burned.

Just a little hint, the nova clones were made by nfusion when they started their own company away from amt. So in a sense they are clones in that they are not made by amt. But still nfusion had the novas made by another mfg. Now they are calling them clones . That doesn't go over well with me either. There is no such thing as a Nova clone.
The Nova by all rights is a clone of the ipro 1k, only difference is the 1k has a better power supply that doesn't get hot. The nova uses the same neolite power supply which gets really really hot.

Thanks
Dr. T

I always thought that support under N3 would be too expensive and could not continue to be free. It looks like that might be what happened to Nfusion. The computer supplier sued, Cho couldn't pay for the equipment and the servers went down.

It would be clearer what this suit is about if GS2 downloaded a copy.

[Burn]

heres the original complaint suit:
Ill see if GS2 wants to get the rest

[lackadaisical]

Attached is the complaint. The action was dismissed October 29, 2009. The parties may have decided to work out their differences. It looks like Infinity might have provided some capital to Nfusion and nominally acted as a distributor. The basic problem seems to be that not enough units were sold. This is relatively small-time stuff but it may have an impact on the operation of SUNS. Who knows? Who knows if Infinity was an exclusive dealer - it is questionable that the contract provides that.

[bigtoes]

did i miss something here...

infinity purchases from cho @ 175.00 p/unit
after 3 months, infinity can return any unsold units to cho @ 'no less then' 200.00 p/unit

what an awesome ROI by not even selling a unit
14% over 3 months

[Pam]

Attached is the complaint. The action was dismissed October 29, 2009. The parties may have decided to work out their differences. It looks like Infinity might have provided some capital to Nfusion and nominally acted as a distributor. The basic problem seems to be that not enough units were sold. This is relatively small-time stuff but it may have an impact on the operation of SUNS. Who knows? Who knows if Infinity was an exclusive dealer - it is questionable that the contract provides that.

I had a computer distribution company once and I wish I had used the Infinity lawyers negotiate for me. This was a can't lose agreement. I was stuck more than once with product but then I never gave capital in exchange for product.

I guess this puts to rest all the claims that Nfusion was making too much money to go under or walk away. Apparently Nfusion was cash strapped and never got out of the hole. With that many Novas in inventory wasn't it suicidal to drop the Nova?

The poster who called himself the real Dr. T had it right that if people didn't buy new Nfusion models, Nfusion would go under and it looks like that is what happened, not that NF was setting up more secure servers. NF couldn't afford to maintain Suns.

[Pam]

I don't know how to upload on this site so someone else please do it.

The Cho answer:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/x3fq38

That's the way an Answer should be written but unfortunately for Cho, the contract strongly favors the plaintiff.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

http://www.newcardnews.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7043


I posted about that lawsuit in the thread above with the court docs. lackadaisical is correct the case was dropped as the parties reached some agreement on it. I think if continued that could have open up a can of worms since the plaintif was saying the receivers were illegal and was not told about it.




GS2

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

http://www.newcardnews.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7054



Infinity was sued by Echo. The courts docs were posted above. I will update that case if there is anything worthwhile to add.




GS2

[lackadaisical]

What is really peculiar in the contract is the description of the receivers as "intercepting" satellite transmissions and that 800 stations would be available on a single fee basis. Wow!

[Burn]

did i miss something here...

infinity purchases from cho @ 175.00 p/unit
after 3 months, infinity can return any unsold units to cho @ 'no less then' 200.00 p/unit

what an awesome ROI by not even selling a unit
14% over 3 months

yes thats insane
whats more insane is that they would air their dirty laundry in public for all-including dish, to see and use against them both.
if they didnt know anything before, they do now
this contract im sure had something to do with the large demand in nfusion sales at a time when they were cash short to buy new ones.
just how bad did they want cash for new units? you have your answer

[Pam]

http://www.newcardnews.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7043


I posted about that lawsuit in the thread above with the court docs. lackadaisical is correct the case was dropped as the parties reached some agreement on it. I think if continued that could have open up a can of worms since the plaintif was saying the receivers were illegal and was not told about it.
GS2

Am I reading the dates correctly that Infinity sued Cho in March and Echo sued Infinity in April?

Did Infinity know Echo was closing in on it and Infinity tried to mitigate it's damages by suing Cho first so it could attempt to look innocent, or by filing against Cho did Infinity get Echo's attention?

These players all seem to be amateurs. It's hard to believe that Infinity had $600,000 laying around to give to Cho and they were too naive to know that IKS was illegal. From the mistakes I've read in the various suits filed by Echostar and the criminal actions that caught of some of the FTA players, it's hard to believe these people are so stupid.

If Echo knows about Cho and surely it does and certainly it has Infinity in it's pocket to testify against Cho, do you think there are some sealed suits against Cho right now and that is why SUNs is down and will stay down?

I doubt Echo would go after Infinity without the intent of getting it's hands on the major player, Cho. That Echo Motion for a TRO would scare the beejeesus out of anybody. No wonder Cho wanted the Infinity suit to go away because anything he said would either have to be perjured to Infinity or an admission of guilt that Echo could use against him. It was a no win situation.

This keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.

[Pam]

yes thats insane
whats more insane is that they would air their dirty laundry in public for all-including dish, to see and use against them both.
if they didnt know anything before, they do now
this contract im sure had something to do with the large demand in nfusion sales at a time when they were cash short to buy new ones.
just how bad did they want cash for new units? you have your answer

Burn, I guess I missed the dirty laundry part in the documents. Which document is it?

[oolloo]

Once you've met some of these people , it's not hard to believe how amateurish and stupid they are. Most of these gfuys stand around deluding one another daily. "if it was illegal or the cops/dn cold catch ne why have they not? I'm standing here" thats their logic for thinking themselves geniuses.

Am I reading the dates correctly that Infinity sued Cho in March and Echo sued Infinity in April?

Did Infinity know Echo was closing in on it and Infinity tried to mitigate it's damages by suing Cho first so it could attempt to look innocent, or by filing against Cho did Infinity get Echo's attention?

These players all seem to be amateurs. It's hard to believe that Infinity had $600,000 laying around to give to Cho and they were too naive to know that IKS was illegal. From the mistakes I've read in the various suits filed by Echostar and the criminal actions that caught of some of the FTA players, it's hard to believe these people are so stupid.

If Echo knows about Cho and surely it does and certainly it has Infinity in it's pocket to testify against Cho, do you think there are some sealed suits against Cho right now and that is why SUNs is down and will stay down?

I doubt Echo would go after Infinity without the intent of getting it's hands on the major player, Cho. That Echo Motion for a TRO would scare the beejeesus out of anybody. No wonder Cho wanted the Infinity suit to go away because anything he said would either have to be perjured to Infinity or an admission of guilt that Echo could use against him. It was a no win situation.

This keeps getting curiouser and curiouser.

[oolloo]

suns/ams all a big joke and scam