Jeff Reason aka Satscams aka Jerry69

[fixer1]

I have said over the last while the reasons I do not think this person can be trusted
1/He did admit to me that he did fill out a deposition against his partner Steve for Dishnetwork, and only reneged at the last minute in court. This means that he did tell Dishnetwork everything he knew, and they went on to build their case on that. It does not matter that he renegged at the last minute, as his part in this had already done its damage.

2/Satscams is too busy hiding behind the scences in things, and he would have rathered let the Mods and admins take the heat for such things as the paramount fiasco, that he was ready to destroy his site over it. Yes there are some small bits of money and hardware that site owners get now and then, but it would need be much more to really be an issue.

3/ Satscams the site was sued as well as Jeff Reason the owner, and they both have now defaulted. So the fact of the matter is that the site if not already part of Dishnetwork it can be made so at any time. Jeff has not told much about what has happened and just what he claims to have done to ward off these companies during bankruptcy. But it will be interesting to see just what becomes of these things.

These are the 3 main reasons I believe the way I do and I am only doing this because some where in all that is going on people will get caught up in it. It is for those people that this is designed to help.

[Mesquite]

Thanks for the honesty bud.As of now it's obvious someone was banned there for bringing up those very issues.:eek:

[satscams]

my understanding is jj hand nothing to do with dishnet or bell hacking or even selling their equipment.
steve can back that up
your obsession with being fired for your failed coup shows nothin more then a pathetic tantrum, it is time to get over it
nobody cares what you think as you are usuually wrong with your assumptions

get it straight this is ALL you know:
jj was put in a round room told to say he knew about all kinds of things related to echo that he did not, he only knew about dtv, he wrote the flashes for hu loader and his nick was all over them, they got his number when they anton pillared steves comp. phone him and wanted him to be their star witness by telling him everything the steve did, mostly echo.
he was supeopna'd and told the truth 100% would not lie under oath, and they new it, ever time they brought up echo the answer was "no idea"
two week later he was sued BEACAUSE he would not lie for them.
end of story

read into it as much as you like
it happened just like that
they were more interested in echo
rumour has it jj is the most hated by ALL three companies for TELLING THE TRUTH



fixer it is time you need to get over this
you attack someone that never said a thing to you ever
first it was hitec, then neo, then jj, whos next? gs2? do you have the balls to attack him?
considering gs2 know all about this situation, more then you do,, i find it curious he is never brought up in your whitch hunts


bottom line ask this question
jj get sued for not testifying the way they coached him to, but decided the bible had more juristiction when the truth is concerned.
fixer get charged criminally then gets a fine, then waits for dtv to sue him with a whopper of a suit, knowing that bankruptcy will no rid him self of a debt caused from "the proceeds of crime" act. in english, dtv will sue him for $10,000,000,00 and he cant declare bankruptcy to rid himself of it be cause they will claim :"proceeds of crime act'

jj on the otherhand did declare backruptcy and wiped out a further caims they had on him which is why he is no longer around.
the sillyness of informant comes from weak minded people
people only turn to ratting when they have something to lose
this is a %100 fact

wht does jj have to lose? ask his trustee ---zip
what does fixer have to lose? fixer has alrewady made it perfectly clear in public he has been moving his finances around , puting things in his wifes name etc...
bottom line is even if this works, he will still never own a scrap of money for the rest of his life, and even afer he dies his estate, if any will be given to dtv.

UNLESS
he makes a deal;;;;;;;

target you ask?

how about the single person the signal integraty hates ABOVE ALL others becouse he refused to conceed to their lies...
JJ

so this only makes sence
fixer is desparatly looking for a way to put this in the past and not be in debt for life. he needs to make a deal with and go after signal integraties number #1


loyalty goes a long way
turning on your friends does not

[satscams]

tecnically satscams.com doesnt exist it is only pointed
the main site is satscams.org has been for a year now

[satscams]

also was just told there was NEVER ever any deposition made
the only thing on record was the forced testomony in court
that apparently had mostly do do with steves echo practicies that jj never had anything to do with, he testifyed he never heard of things like romx or all the other dishnet related equipment.
was he liing under oath? fixer would say yes, buy if he had lied under oath he would never have been sued.
most would have said fuck it, lie...
but loyaly to his friends, and god himself mean more to him then your petty excuse to win favour with the big boys.

jj has nothing to lose from the bad guys
fixer has lots to losee from the bad guys
do the math

at first i thought you were just upset because you were demoded,.
now i beleive you have an alteirior motive




when thing make sense they make sense

[fixer1]

Jeff you are the one who told me that you told them all they wanted to know and they only turned on you for not following through, and that is why they sued you. From you own mouth. You were the one who told me about your going to have to go broke and you have made it so your assets can not be touched. I was the one who told you that anything tranfered for the last two years would be subject to things and especially to your wife or any family member. May you had something more then coffee in that cup.

But heres one for you. I was never found guilty of a crime. All criminal charges were dropped and I plead to RC Act only. So no criminal no proceeds of crime. You see, you got it part right when I told you what my lawyer said. BTW my court docs are there for anyone to see 160 Elgin Street Ottawa Ont. Now as for whether they will sue me goes, I do not think so, but if they did then yes they would find my bankruptcy is in order. That does not mean I will not have to pay the $20,000.00 fine. Maybe you should listen and then use your head. Right now you are not sounding like you know what you are doing.

So to get back to the point. Since you say your are Bankrupt, is fine, but why are they trying to still sue your father? Could it be because you tranferred assets there? The same goes with the rest of your family. I told you before that the only way that your wife can own things is if she always owned them without your name on the tilte ever, or even used as a loan guarantor. Which is the case of my wife. She owned the home 10 years before marriage. But that is just you trying to make a case against me for pointing out the plain facts in this. You see you have tried to hide about everything and got my hackles up when I saw the way you hid away when you should have just come forward. There had to be a good reason for that. I asked you about that on the phone and while you said you would post about it, you never did. Just as you admitted that your were Jerry69 and I told you that the posts you did make under that were very dangerous, you said they can never prove that.

Satscams.org was also mentioned in the suits as well, and you now have admitted that you have defaulted to the suit, with your bankrutcy. So then in effect the site is not really yours and they can come take it at anytime, or run it trolling for what ever they wish. You see here we are simply going about the business of replacing what we saw as the reasons that satscams exists. We are doing this because of the very questions and facts that I addressed and I see no reason not to continue. You already stung your host in Japan for payments, and if it was not for the free hosting now, satscams would be gone.

Now for the latest post. Yes jeff told me straight out that he made the deposition and had agreed to testify aginst Steve, and that he only refused to repeat what he said in court. That was out of his own mouth.

Again as for what I have to lose goes, I have a $20,000.00 fine and 18 months to pay. I still have to pay that even whith a bankruptcy, that will not go away. I have 18 months of keep the peace probation, and it is all over that is it. DTV can go ahead and try to sue a bankrupt but that would be just a giggle.

My whole legal problems ended back on June 6 2006. But I am going to say this straight out. If it was not for me getting my hackles up and pursuing what I felt was wrong. None of this stuff about Jeff would have come to light and its dirty laundry along with it. That is what a site that digs into these things is supposed to do right? Too bad Satscams has forgot about that.

[Mesquite]

Jeff...as far as I'm personally concerned...I don't believe one word you have to say.You're little fiasco at Satscams convinced me you are a bonified liar an coward.You ran an hid when you fucked up letting Paramount in the admin panel.You would'nt even come forward an say you did it.You let your staff take the heat for that one.You let two different lies happen to that trick.Never once did you ever come out an say it was you that did it.At least Fixer never hid out.He tried to convince everyone it was all okay an no one got hurt.He was protecting you an your site.So...as far as I'm concerned...Fuck off !

[satscams]

sorry to say fixer that you are mistaken dont know what was told to you or by whom. but it is not correct
ask gs2, he will correct you.

satscams was mentioned in the suit where did you dig that up?
.org was created not long ago.
there was no deposition there was no agreeement there was a supeona
and i guess im not me either.

SS will continue doing what it has done helping the community any way it can, the more sites that want to do the same, great.
there is no dirty laundry, just a pathetic sole sore about being unanimously canned.
-at two sites
nobody there has ever said a bad thing about you, yet again you choose you unloyal path in search of something that doesnt exist, making stuff up whenever the truth doesnt go the way you would like it to go.
you were the one that betrayed SS site, and as shown you were the one all by yourself that has had a hissy fit because you were found out.
do you even know how you were found out? a cp of hb pm at another site, nobody believed it till it was proven.
do you deny you were trying to take over satscams?
and when it wasnt handed over you decided to trash the admins? only days after complimenting them?
as i said earlier, niether i nor any one else there has has ever gone after you, and would never stoop to lying and making stuff up.

the para thing was never discussed with you, you were the newest mod on the block, what you heard was 2nd hand at best and even then i would say you were making it up as you went, hb can contest to that.

also show me one place JJ ever did echo stuff
show me one place deals were made with anyone
show me to what purpose
show me how this site is more secure then any other, there are so many tracking cookies released here and for what purpose, why must you log in to view? what purpose did this site have a year ago? why are all the scammers and busted peeps and rats all tied to this site originally and still?
why is it you are not allowed to talk about satellite hacking at all and yet you mod on a site that caters to people in the scene, did you make a deal? is that why you are so afraid? i dont do anything illegal nor does the site. but you over emphaszising the importance of not discussing sat period makes people wonder if it is because you are under orders.
me i'll discuss anything to do with sat because i know they would waste their time on little old me.

i made no deal i have never talked to anyone from any sat company.
i make no money off the biz never have. JJ did but hasnt in years

for the record i am not JJ
believe it or not, i dont really care. he would never come here.

it makes me wonder how quickly you turn on people and how fast you burn your bridges against anyone or any site that is trying to help others. all your doing is trying to undermined good people and good sites, is that your job? is that what you get paid to do? is that fullilling your agreement?

what cant you let things be as they are?
and help the way you see it.

there is no way SS is in any position to fish for sat bad guys, sites like rom, hash, dishnew, dish rookies, kfta, this site etc. are in a way better position to do that, do you think they are? with the exception of the last one, i dont.

[fixer1]

You really think that this Jj saids this and that bit is fooling anyone? You are Jeff Reason aka Satscams, aka jj aka Jeffyjoe, aka Jerry69, and more. It is quaint the way you try to talk in the third person about your varying personalities. But any way, you are correct that the only satellite restriction of my probabtion is I can not speak to people in the instriction of saying how to hack a card. But As I was on internet sites it was clarified by the judge what that meant, and talking about satellite or reporting about happenings is ok. I can not help anyone directly to hack a system or card. But that is not a big thing, and I am surprised you tried to bring it up. You just need to spend the money and get the transcripts of my trail June 6 2006 at thre Elgin Street Vourt House Ottawa Ont. Anyone can get this and anyone can and will see the exact extent of the case and my plead right there. They have no block outs and it was all above board. It will even give you the break down of how the $20,000.00 fine was come to. But as I always said that is an open book for anyone who wants to go read it.

Now to refresh your memory you and I met for the first time in Brockville at Tim Hortons. You even had your child with you. I had said once before that I knew a jeff from New Brunswick and did not know if you were him or not, and I think it was thor that then went running off etc. But by then you had already done the Paramount thing, and I was new to the site. I was just from royces wnere I had learned that the people on the site were not as I was told and one very big problem was Neo was Stan Frost, who we all know turned on many in making his deal. So yes I was more then alittle bit on alert at this new site. It appeared to be above board, but after the Paramount and Hippies accusations, I felt I had better do a little looking into just who I was there with and just how they stand up for the site and could they be trusted. All the others seemed genuine but when it came to you many things did not gell. That was why I wanted to meet you face to face. We discussed your case and suit with Echo and I told you then about putting assets in any family members name would be crazy. That did not sit well with you and we also discussed the Hippy thing and you were put out that people would not take you on your word. ven though it was you who did it, you felt like it was beneath you to come and explain. That send alarms off right there. While you did say that you may get the odd peice of equipment from dealers that it was not a regular thing. So I asked you why let Paramount in and you said it was just a joke thing. That is when I asked about the down times we were having and you admitted to me that the host in Japan was doing this because you did not pay him for the hosting etc and that you did not have the money to pay. I again asked if you wanted to sell the site, and you said no. So I suggested then thta you move it back where you will not have the payment problems. You seemed to owe many people money and that I guess was not astounding, as you said you run a Rogerstore etc. We ledt things pretty much at that, and you went over to the small fair that was there at the plaza with your son.

I did review everything said and it was very evident that it was the need for money that was the real thing behind Paramount, and maybe even a hidden deal. I could not say. I was not sorry that you did not want to sell it once I again thought about the Liability that could be passed on to anyone purchasing the site, because of the Echo suit. The PM to hippy who was asking many questions, only answered them and I also then said my own questions about you, not the site. This was sent to hippy and within 1 hour I was demodded at satscams. Hippy did not have a chance to post it before the demod, so it only left the fact that you were viewing PMs. I also have more to back that up, but it would get others in trouble. Now you did this without even asking me a thing or telling me. You once again chose the cowards way of things. Even though if you look at what was said in that, it was clear that I would probably resign shortly as I said that the things I was finding out were making me second guess being there. Your rash quick reaction again would have solved its self, if you had only done the reasonabloe thing. But that is why you are here in this thread about people who can not be trusted.

Now just so you know, it does not matter if you ever did Echo or not. If you looked at my case and how the fine was arrived at, it is an offence to have a programmer capable of doing DN or EpressVu. So as long as the crystal is on the programmer then you are guilty of that offence.

Right now this site is in the midst of rebuilding on a totally legal front and there are no cookies for tracking period. The fact that we will openly allow everyone the chance to speak and have their say, is one of the many ways we will be better then the other sites. If there is a question we will answer it and we hope that it will be fast and swift, but there are sometimes where we will be gone a day or two, but it should never go beyond that. We will not hide and try and let others answer the hard questions. You know if you were so against what I said about the Paramount thing, why did you not bring that up when we met or even in the Mods forums. You did not because what I said was true and you know it.

Now as for you again trying to say that JJ made money but you did not, that is again funny as you are all one and the same. This multi-personality will not get you any where but a phsyc evalutaion.

As far as burning bridges goes, Lets see now a site run by Stan Frost? Yeah I really wanted to be part of that, and again once the news came out who he was I would have resigned but he did exactly like you took the cowards way out, and threatened legal action towards me for saying what I said. You will notice no legal action because what I said was 100% true. You can not sue for that, and Stan knows this. Then there was your site. On the surface everything seemed good and the only issues were money as the site could not pay some bills. Yes I offered to buy it, more out of trying to help you out. Then came the hippy accusations and I could prove that his accusations against the staff were all false, but you were becoming more and more questions because of your behaviour, hiding when you should be front and center denying etc. That is whn I looked deeper and did not liek what I saw, and yes I said so in a PM to hippy. Funny that even before hippy could get it, it was read by you, and we all know the rest. Yes I could of left it alone and walked away, but your actions do not warrant a pass on that and never will. I have said it before and I will say it again, it is you who are bringing down the site. Hell give the site toi the staff and remain away from any thing to do with it and I will stop going after it. As long as you are there I will always make sure that people know the risk you are to the site.

I think I covered everything. If not anyone can ask me questions about this and I will answer them. It does not matter if you are involved with the site or not.

[diasharp]

Fixer

I noticed you go into great detail about everything until you get to this point....

"That is when I looked deeper and did not liek what I saw"

Why do you stop short here when all else is in such great detail?

Thanks

[fixer1]

The reason I stooped there is many of the things I found out were from other people who know Jeff and yes they asked to not be included in much of what is now going on. But lets just say that after looking at what his case was about and what he had already said, and then finding out that there were many deeper money problems, that I could not explain, but had been told to me. It also took time to reflect about all my phone calls with jeff and the way he had changed. When someone is pushed towards doing something and then renegs at the end, while I will say good for reneging but I still find it hard to forgive the initial ratting or what ever you want to call it. That was just part of it. I then had to decide since he was capable of that in that situation, what would he be capable in a desperate money situation. It was this and many other things, that I used to make up my mind that he needed to be outed on this and I did take my time and verify my findings as much as I could. That is why I have said all along that the staff at Satscams are a good bunch of guys, and that it is just the owner who has the ability to make imporper use of the site, that I have problems with. As I said if he left the site and turned it over to the staff, I would be quite supportive of that.

[Mesquite]

The real problem I have with Satscams ...the site...Is all the closing of threads...deletions an banning.Staff can bash members but members have not right to stand up for themselves.

As far as Jeff Reasons...he's a chickenshit coward.Afraid to stand up for who an what he believes in.Thats apparrent when he can't come forward an tell all to STFU...It's his site an if he wants to allow Gandi axcess ...it's his business.

[Mesquite]

NCN an NCD may have been ruthless...but never once was a thread deleted or anyone banned...except Franko.LOL

[fixer1]

I have to be honest here, and say that it was I who banned hippyb for his accussations towards the staff. It was a 10 day ban but the site was down for most if not all of that time, so he may have not even noticed it. After the big down time and the transferring to an old copy of the site I never pushed to have the ban issued. I am not sure of who did the last banning.

Hippyb needed to narrow his wrath and investigation to one person and stop bringing all staff into it. Much as I say today, I find nothing wrong with the staff, but the owner is where things go iffy and downward from there. If hippyb would have been more direct in his investigations and narrowed them to Jeff himself, I would have been hard pressed to not agree with some of the things being said. Jeff questions my loyalty, but at the time when this first started I stuck my neck out in defending him and his right as site owner to do and talk to who he pleased and to let anyone he wished into the sites back end. I did that because I felt that he must have a good reason for what he did. When I learned otherwise, that is when I decided that it was time to look with neutral eyes. The rest is history. Dishnewschats and Satscams are both without much traffic, with dishnews chats having one post a week and that by neo reporting news, being the slowest. Yes they are still there but for how long and serving what purpose?

[H.B.]

Yes I know it was you, fixer1, who banned me that first time at satscams, you openly addmitted it in forum there. And you are correct that I never even noticed it myself since the site was down the majority of those 10 days. I am not sure who did the last 'stealth ban' on me there, no one has come out to claim doing it, so it was probably satscams himself since he doesn's seem to like to admit to much of anything. I can still login there, and see most of my posts, but no one else can see them.

I only stated my speculations after satscams asked me in open forum what I did suspect was going on there. If he would have inquired about this through PM, then my response to him would have been through PM. But alas he asked in open forum, thus I answered in open forum. There probably are members of staff that are for the most part 'innocent' of the happennings there, but there are some who seem to be hip deep in the problems there as well. Ralphie, YankeeNY, and hoddi1 all have degenerated to calling me, and others who happen to agree with me, childish names even when I have never used any foul language or called any staff there any names, that is not my style. Even you, fixer1, began calling me names there before you came to your 'realization' about the site. Whether you like it or not, we are ALL judged by the company we keep, this is purely an aspect of our human nature, so it is my recommendation that if a staff member does not want to be associated with problems involving a site they are staff at, they should remove themselves as staff there. I still would be concerned about any other sites that current staff members from satscams are also staff at. I will admit that I did relay these concerns to Snags about hoddi1 being a mod at his site, and gained more respect for him that he took action about it. It just worries me when someone who definately appears to be involved with the problems, and coverup, at satscams may have had access to member information at such a large and leading site. All I did at satscams was question, albiet strongly, a situation created/caused by the owner and/or staff at the site. Satscams never publicly answered the questions, which went to the heart of the claimed purpose of his site, and he let other staff make conflicting statements about the event in question. When I asked some to clarify their understanding of the conflicts I received no answers. I even asked a few staff at the time if Jerry69 was indeed another handle satscams used and was told infatically 'No'. When more lies and misinformation came out, instead of the truth, that just made more more concerned with what was going on with satscams. YankeeNY calling Chill a federal informant for just asking why all of my(HippyB) posts were removed from the site instead of just banning me, then when DoctorNik posted his 'I've been told to leave,, so I am' thread and tobad quoted hoddi1's sig 'In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act', hoddi1 closed the thread and tried to make it look like tobad was agreeing with hoddi1 and the staff there, but the impression I got was that tobad was pointing out the hypocracy of hoddi1's sig, maybe my interpretation is wrong, but I don't think so. Also satscams responded to Chill's question saying that the removal of all of my posts was


'he was stealth banned, this will automatically temp block all previous posts.
it is temp oversight and will be fix in a bit'.


Well my posts still are unviewable by the members and guests of the site, even my post intended to help everyone maintain their anonymity when visiting ANY site, for which satscams had originally praised me. One would think that if he was concerned at all with his members and visitors safety that at a minimum that post should have remained, but alas not. Satscams also said, in that response to Chill,


'secondly i told him many many times and he just kept twisting it to the point where it did not matter what i said or what anyone else said'


, he did not tell me many many times, he sent me one PM, and what he did tell me conflicted with what other members of his staff were saying, thus my reason for continuing to ask for clairification from ANY staff member there, which no one seemed willing to do for some reason or another. I have no doubt that if satscams, or one of his cronies, had my personal information it would have been posted openly on their forum and possibly other forums, for it does seem they like to play dirty. Which is another reason I continue to recommend to other hobbiests that they should stay away from that site, or use proxies when visiting it, and to never give your personal information to anyone there. Hell they ask people to send them personal info about hacks they attempted to purchase but possibly got scammed on (ie. corrispondence with the suspected scammer, paypal or other purchase info, names and addresses, etc), and I can tell you that I don't feel comfortable with anyone giving those guys that kind of information. I can't, and would never say, that ALL the staff at satscams are bad people just because they are staff there. But some of the satscams staff have made statements and taken actions, some of which I have referenced in this post, that leave a very bad taste in my mouth. So I don't think it is only satscams that we should be concerned with at his site, and that is my reasoning for saying what I have said. I will continue to voice my concerns when I feel it is warrented, and if any of my concerns are shown/proven to be wrong or inaccurate I shall willingly admit my mistake or inaccuracy openly.

H.B.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Hell they ask people to send them personal info about hacks they attempted to purchase but possibly got scammed on (ie. corrispondence with the suspected scammer, paypal or other purchase info, names and addresses, etc), and I can tell you that I don't feel comfortable with anyone giving those guys that kind of information.



I know some who get scammed want to post personal information about the scammer and many sites will not allow that but you can here as long as you don't post any SSN's with name & address that could open the door to identify theft.




GS2

[fixer1]

I have told what I know and how I saw things right from the beginning and it was I who very early on said satscams was Jerry69. What makes me laugh is the type of posts he has made here talking about his alter egoes int he third person. I am not sure if even he can do this without laughing. Yankee is an ok guy, but he is way too easily lead into do things, but I would bet you that if he saw what he was doing was hurting members, he would stop. As for Hoddi I can not say much but yes it does look like jeff has circled the people around him.

The one thing I did not want to do was watch Satscams go down and not have anyone there to replace the original idea of what it was. That is why the things we saw as good things have been copied over here. That way when Satscams is gone there will be a place to go for scam fighting and support. It will take time to gain peoples trust but we will take time and do that.

Hippyb
I did ban you as I said and yes I proably also told you if you could not live with the answers to go else where. That was really all there was to say. Jeff was not giving any indication of wanting to try and stop things or even that he cared. He seems to be trying to get around the fact that he was reading private PM's by saying he got the PM I sent to you from a site. When I know that I was demodded in less then a hour from the time I sent you the pm. Also that Pm was not really all that bad, but jeff was looking for scapegoats.

The place we have setup here is quite different then over at satscams. For onething we will answer questions, and not hide. Even the tough ones. I can say that I will never release info given to me in private, and the sources are always safe. But I will explain everything as best I can. The rest of the staff here will also be open and honest with what is going on. We have set this up to be run in proper legal ways and all our support will be within legal means. No one need fear us or ever having dealt with us. Hippy believes that things run deeper over at Satscams then I do but that does not mean I have to argue with him over it. We both can have our views and still co-exist. Hell it would be a pretty boring life if everyone agreed on everything now wouldn't it?

[H.B.]

I know some who get scammed want to post personal information about the scammer and many sites will not allow that but you can here as long as you don't post any SSN's with name & address that could open the door to identify theft.




GS2

I'm mainly concerned about the mods at satscams asking the scammees to send them their proof through PM, which probably will include some of their personal info. By doing so they could be providing questionable people their personal information, such as real names, addresses, finacial information and the handles these scammees use at various testing sites. By giving the mods at satscams their personal info, with the expectation that satcams and his staff are only using this info for verifcation of the scam, they may be openning themselves up to identity, and other forms of theft, and even worse they may be openning themselves up for legal problems, whether it be civil or criminal. I must say I am not a fan of posting real names and info, even about a potential scammer, but there does seem to be no honor among theives. To me this hobby has always just been an intellectual challange and not a proffit generating venture, I wish more felt this way. You will rarely find me, if ever, use someone real name, along with or rather than their handle, whether I know that information or not. But as I said I am mainly concerned with those who are scammed getting burned twice by providing the staff at satscams with any of their personal info. I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say.

H.B.

[H.B.]

Hippyb
I did ban you as I said and yes I proably also told you if you could not live with the answers to go else where. That was really all there was to say. Jeff was not giving any indication of wanting to try and stop things or even that he cared. He seems to be trying to get around the fact that he was reading private PM's by saying he got the PM I sent to you from a site. When I know that I was demodded in less then a hour from the time I sent you the pm. Also that Pm was not really all that bad, but jeff was looking for scapegoats.
I agree the PM wasn't that bad, and I think you were demodded before I even read the PM. I did tell Snags in PM that you told me that you, the one who banned me for my questions there before, now have concerns/questions about what has and is going on at satscams after I had read your PM. This I did because of my concern about hoddi1 modding at his site. If and when I ever reveal info from PMs to someone else, it is only due to my strong concern that not doing so may cause other larger problems for some fellow hobbiests.


The place we have setup here is quite different then over at satscams. For onething we will answer questions, and not hide. Even the tough ones. I can say that I will never release info given to me in private, and the sources are always safe. But I will explain everything as best I can. The rest of the staff here will also be open and honest with what is going on. We have set this up to be run in proper legal ways and all our support will be within legal means. No one need fear us or ever having dealt with us. Hippy believes that things run deeper over at Satscams then I do but that does not mean I have to argue with him over it. We both can have our views and still co-exist. Hell it would be a pretty boring life if everyone agreed on everything now wouldn't it?
I agree that it is better sometimes to disagree, it often helps getting at the truth when people pursue different paths. I wish you guys well in remaking this site. One thing I might recommend it to open up reading of some forums to guests, if you have not done that already. Good luck, I have some real work I must attend to right now, I may try to log back in later today if time warrents.

H.B.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

People who volenteer their personal information who wish to remain private or keep it private put themselves at risk at losing that by doing so whether it be on Satscams or anywhere else. I obviously don't care and for me it has worked better especially when someone threatens to reveal it.




GS2

[Mesquite]

I felt the need to say a few more things about this deal.Fixer1...I'm not saying anything I did'nt say at Satscams about your actions.

In the first place...Fixer1 came clean about what he really knew.In the beginning over at Satscams...his motive became apparrent.He wanted to own Satscams...therefor he was trying to protect it.I'm not much into c/p's to show proof...but if you can recall...when the Paramount issue happened...One admin...Satscams Sec stated..."I don't know but I sure as hell don't like it"...Another mod...Ralphie said..."If I find out it's a breach...Or someone doing wrong...I will resign"...another party said"This is bullshit...Our info has been collected"...Point is...everyone was caught by supprise....Even the Admins.Okay...Then you only have assumptions from there.One party says...It was an Ex Admin...Jerry69 that did it as a joke....But he (Paramount) had no permissions...yet he did ban a person...(don't that take permissions???)...Then we get to hear...but he never had access to the DB...Since everything else was a lie...are we to believe that now???I don't think so.At least I don't buy it.When Hippyb started asking legit questions...The staff there came to Satscams rescue.They made alibi's for him...such as "he's not feeling well...he's depressed...he don't give a shit anymore...he does'nt feel he has to defend his actions (only after the truth comes out...he did it..)To this day...he has never come forward an explained to his members what an why it happened.For me....I think Hippyb was abused...even abused by Fixer1...because he was the one telling everyone there it was all okay...when in fact...it never was.For that Fixer1...I have to say...you hurt your reputation...of which I today...think you are an alright person...with members wellbeing at heart.But...you pissed on Hippyb...an that was wrong.

[Mesquite]

To add a little...

Satscams...you're a joke to me an everyone else in the community....Not to mention a pussy.You could have ended the entire ordeal by coming forward in the beginning.So...it's your site an you can do whatever youi please...but to not say so up front destroyed you an Satscams in my opinion.The only mod you have worth a shit is Ralphie...who I have known a long time.But today...I don't even trust him anymore...because he's still there covering your ass.You're like most scum...you get decent people to mod for you...to protect you're tainted past...an help garner you're reputation.But most of us see thru your clock.You're nothing but a waste of flesh.

[dssxxxx]

When I have a little time to kill, I always like to come in here and listen to the freindly banter.

[Mesquite]

When I have a little time to kill, I always like to come in here and listen to the freindly banter.

Hey bud...glad to see ya...

dadsshadetree

[fixer1]

I would like to say that yes I did come down on Hippyb for his comments and his methods. You can call it pissing on him if you like but I seldom ever will deny something even if I was in the wrong. Yes he was determined to hijack the site and threads for his own purposes. I gave many warnings and then a 10 ban. But as the site had a habit of going down weeks at a time for non payment of the hosting fees, he did not notice it. I still do thing that he was wrong to try and hijack the threads, but if done here there would be no problem as it would not be necessary to ban as most would just join into the threads with their views. I do not think hippy is holding a grudge for what was done by me.

I still do not agree with hippy that the site is bad right to the core, but as I said here we discuss it and all views get a say and count equally. That it why we are different. The only reason I am here is since I finnished all my legal stuff I wanted to find an area where I could give something back to the people. This site did come with a load of baggage and I hope we have lightened some of that with our new look and feel.

Now does anyone have absolute proof that satscams is up to something or at least hiding much from the members/ staff ? The answer is no. But if you look at the numbers they have there and the lack of posting by everyone, that does not bode well for the site. Many people will just wait for him to say what he has to say, and from what he has posted here, he does little to deny what happened. That to me says morethen enough.

It is hard being an satellite internet site right now as times are slow and getting slower. We have tried to make the site still handle the controversial issues and cover them honestly as we can. That will keep us going for quite some time. But I am a little shocked that I gave my 3 picks for scammers and lowlifes and only two others have said any thing. Come guys there is no right or wrong answer and I know you all have a few people in mind for this. Lets hear from you.

[dssxxxx]

Hey bud...glad to see ya...

dadsshadetree

Always checking things out.

Have to see how the other side lives.....once in a while....:-)

[H.B.]

fixer1,

You are correct, I do not hold a grudge against you for our past conflicts. I do think I was treated very unfairly at satscams, but life itself is often unfair and we must all deal with that in our own way. My primary concern is helping other hobbiests stay away from possible trouble. I am glad to see the downturn in postings and visitors at satscams, as I feel it is not a trustworthy site. When things do not appear to be right, they rarely are.

H.B.

[Mesquite]

I hope the site just fades away an dies.

[diasharp]

Me too!
Then I can start scamming peeps for thier cash and sat stuff.
Who needs a scam busting site?
Everyone in this hobby is honest anyways,right?

[Mesquite]

Me too!
Then I can start scamming peeps for thier cash and sat stuff.
Who needs a scam busting site?
Everyone in this hobby is honest anyways,right?


witty bud...witty!:eek:

[fixer1]

We recogmized that the scam busting was the only thing that satscams had that made it worth anything and saw fit to offer the same here. There is very little if any scam busting going on now but should the need arise for it we will do as much as anyone else could to track and show these to the public at large. Other then that one small thing that like I say has now very little trafic in it, satscams serves very little other purposes that would arrant a pass on their own transgressions. I for one will not miss them, and it was and is only a matter of time before they disappear.

[Mesquite]

I agree with ya F1.But really...who did the scam busting???Jeff,other Admins???Only one I ever seen getting in a scammers ass was Trashed....:fight

[diasharp]

Maybe it would be smart to have both sites untill you prove this one will be capable of doing the busting.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

I don't think sites bust scammers but rather the contributing members who work together on a site with pooling their information on a scammer as an example. Trashedwithnoskills is very effective whether it be on Satscams, here or anywhere else he helps out on.





GS2

[Bigzack_721]

Trashedwithnoskills is very effective whether it be on Satscams, here or anywhere else he helps out on.GS2



i agree


Trashedwithnoskills is one hell of a man in my books, if social security numbers where aloud i would ask him to track this mofo down for me he scammed me out of 1500 bucks but not in dss stuff. This was personal belongings at one time i thought he was a friend.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Bigzack_721, post whatever information you have if you want on your scammer minus the SSN and maybe somebody will come up with something anyway.




GS2

[Mesquite]

Bigzack_721, post whatever information you have if you want on your scammer minus the SSN and maybe somebody will come up with something anyway.




GS2

Many here can find lowlife azzholes...

[xtremesat]

Sorry guys been busy as of late if you need help with something Bigzack_721 let us know , still have few tricks up my sleeve and I'm sure other would help also..